• j90s about 1 month ago

    are?
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  • justbrew about 1 month ago

    Big foot (Sasquatch), the Abominable snowman and my dog after a wet walk.
  • j90s about 1 month ago

    serial killer which leaves his wallet and a big bogey at his murder scene?
  • djph-1 about 1 month ago

    Attention by Dj Taktix. Actually makes me laugh out loud when it drops
  • traffic_cone about 1 month ago

    to be honest, the most accurate example for me is probably one of the many unremarkable generic techy tunes I've heard at raves over the years. even the most obnoxious jump up at least has some character - I'll take cheesy or even annoying over boring any day.

    that said...I do have a strong aversion to "Bad Ass". I hate that tune, it's such a disappointment when it drops. And I would also say that I hate "Quest" as well - just a slightly more muted version of the same idea, and just as shit (imo). That might be controversial - I know some consider that record to be the pinnacle of d&b. :/ Oh and I don't like "Chopper" either.

    this is probably a good shout for a particullarly bad one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XgtUlOa3dQ - B side "jungle" remix by a non jungle producer (and you can tell).
  • Skott about 1 month ago

    traffic_cone
    Bad Ass


    Fully agree. Fucking hated the tune the moment I heard it. And its was spun out way too often in the late 90's. Just a vibe killer all the way.
  • j90s about 1 month ago

    traffic_cone
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XgtUlOa3dQ

    paaahahah i am a noob but 3 seconds of this are enouhg to vomit over my keyboard
  • j90s about 1 month ago

    djph-1
    Attention by Dj Taktix

    i say the usage of the samples are somehow inappropriate. it feels like patchwork rug from fucking ikea
  • j90s about 1 month ago

    this is just an example from a different genre. oliver lieb is trance. tiesto is not. but calls himself trance.
  • sonarsghost about 1 month ago

    Peshay - Miles From Home
    Glenn Miller Two Step poop
  • poldekh about 1 month ago

    body rock.....fuck that clown bullshit!
  • pointblnk about 1 month ago

    I remember a period around 1995 when many of the London pirates seemed to be playing Dread Bass clones. I think I became quite bored with jungle around that time.

    Compared with the fertility of 1993/1994 where there were so many scatty and crazy tracks, as jungle emerged from hardcore, it seemed a backwards step.

    Of course, there were obviously loads of great tracks released in 1995. But it seemed liked some of the pirates really focused on a singular style. And radio was where I heard most new music as a teenager.

    A similar thing happened with the tech-step sound. I loved it at first. Then grew bored of the identikit tracks very quickly. So in summary I guess it wasn't the individual tracks, just the lack of diversity that bugged me.
  • sonarsghost about 1 month ago

    The above sentiment was also aired in magazine reviews for clones of Source Direct Amen/pad/808 bass/R2D2 bleeps in 95. It was cloning generally that created the fatigue.
    It seems everyone, the punters included, just got bored with the rinsing, but somehow the answer seemed to be 'make the beats more boring' which always puzzled me. At Reinforced at the time we were saying 'include different breaks and tempos and influences' but that didn't really catch on...and if they wanted a different tempo they moved on to Garage or into Trip Hop or back into Hip Hop. People couldn't ever really except it all being mixed together.
  • ThunderingMantis about 1 month ago

    Jonny L - Synkronize
    TC - Rockstar
  • traffic_cone about 1 month ago

    sonarsghost
    somehow the answer seemed to be 'make the beats more boring' which always puzzled me.


    i mean for dancefloor based music I do think that makes sense - i can see why more elaborately chopped drums would have less appeal for most ravers. and I would imagine the first tunes around then that were simpler would have had a big impact on the dancefloor. like the "hardstep" stuff.

    whereas the next step for the scatty drums would be stuff like Luke Vibert's Plug EPs.

    pointblnk
    A similar thing happened with the tech-step sound. I loved it at first. Then grew bored of the identikit tracks very quickly. So in summary I guess it wasn't the individual tracks, just the lack of diversity that bugged me.


    there was a more adventurous side of that sound, on labels like Position Chrome, High Octane, Ambush, Amputate, DHR, Ghetto Safari, Praxis - what would know be known as early breakcore.

    i suppose the longer electonic music was around, it was inevitable that the gap between the people who wanted dancefloor tunes and the people who wanted to find new territory was going to get wider and wider.
  • Step_Up about 1 month ago

    Step_Up edited about 1 month ago
    Shy FX changing to Jump Up style.

    “It was on hearing Trace’s classic, rolling remix of T Power’s “Mutant Jazz” that Shy realised he had to change his sound—mostly because when he first heard the Trace remix, he hated it. “I didn’t get it at all,” he says. “Speaking to Trace, just trying to understand, he told me: ‘People just want to roll out, mate! Just find a groove and roll it out.’ Those words really stuck in my head. So I started just having fun.” The result of this was a run of tunes that are amongst the foundation texts of grime. Shy stripped back his tunes to simple drum loops and yammering basslines that provided a relentless kinetic pump that physically forced you to move. It’s no surprise the sound got christened ‘jump up’. With bangers such as “Chopper Remix”, “Wolf”, “The Message”, “Raw Dogs Relick” and more, Shy gave DJs dancefloor bombs—and the MCs loved it. He had inadvertently created perfect beds to spit on, the throbbing energy in music leaving space for endless bars to roll over. Even as original junglists were moving on to the speed garage scene, tunes like “Chopper” were played everywhere: garage, jungle, even hip-hop sets, laying a beat for grime’s forefathers—the likes of Wiley and D Double—to perfect their art on”.
  • dart about 1 month ago

    poldekh
    body rock.....fuck that clown bullshit!


    i've come around on that one, heard DJ Patife of all people play it at a pool party earlier this year, was kinda fun
  • Wheelup about 1 month ago

    ThunderingMantis
    Jonny L - Synkronize


    How dare you! Sir Jonny will not be a part of this thread!
  • TARTARUS_DORSA about 1 month ago

    https://www.discogs.com/Distorted-Minds-We-Cant-Stop/master/400590

    Rediculous. And there are so many of that period.
  • traffic_cone about 1 month ago

    Pendulum - Slam - starts really well too but that main lead is just so grating.

    Twist Em Out
    Shadow Boxing.
    Mampi Swift - The One.

    oh god and that tune Mr Happy - just because my old flatmate played it so often. ditto Sub Focus - Flamenco. (those are just the ones I remember by name)

    as someone who never went to many d&b raves, I have a patchy knowledge of it - and so it's sometimes interesting to hear the big tunes in retrospect, knowing they are anthems. And a lot of the time, it's obvious - they are at least distinctive. sometimes it really is baffling though.
  • enrie-tt about 1 month ago

    That slippery slopes tune. FUUUUCK!!
  • sonarsghost about 1 month ago

    We did grating classics recently?
    Renegade Snares for me, heard it 4 times a night for about 6 months solid
  • ThunderingMantis about 1 month ago

    Wheelup
    ThunderingMantis wrote: Jonny L - Synkronize

    How dare you! Sir Jonny will not be a part of this thread!


    Have you heard that tune though? Pretty terrible :-/
  • djph-1 about 1 month ago

    Danny C - The Mexican

    Utter pony. And trap
  • djph-1 about 1 month ago

    https://www.discogs.com/Drumsound-Simon-Bassline-Smith-The-Odyssey-Body-Movin/master/439450

    How to ruin a labels reputation in one foul swoop. Wobblier than a bowlful of jelly
  • CtrlAltWax about 1 month ago

    Wheelup
    ThunderingMantisJonny L - Synkronize

    How dare you! Sir Jonny will not be a part of this thread!


    He's one of those guys, early career - absolutely astounding, awesome music. Many flat-out classics.

    The later stuff? Shockingly bad. His 2013 LP 'In a Jungle' - give it a listen, if you can for more than one minute. It's hard to listen to.

    Reminds me of Adam F, groundbreaking early music but later on it comes off the rails completely
  • CtrlAltWax about 1 month ago

    AI - Uprising (Dillinja Remix), truely shocking in every aspect. How to take a classic and really flush it down the toilet
  • DrumandBasstard about 1 month ago

    ThunderingMantis
    TC - Rockstar


    not to mention that "VIP" version of that "P*rnstar" (with a woman singing the vocal)
  • j90s about 1 month ago

    there are some chase and status tracks i like.....
    but the rest, let us say 90%, are just capitalism chart pussy tunes.
  • Wheelup about 1 month ago

    ThunderingMantis
    WheelupThunderingMantis wrote: Jonny L - Synkronize

    How dare you! Sir Jonny will not be a part of this thread!

    Have you heard that tune though? Pretty terrible :-/


    Yeah, I don't mind it actually. It's certainly quite poppy but I think the vocal actually works pretty well. It's a bit like that Grooverider track, what do you do. Cheesy but has a certain underlying vibe that still speaks to me. They've both grown on me over the years.
  • Wheelup about 1 month ago

    Wheelup edited about 1 month ago
    CtrlAltWax
    WheelupThunderingMantisJonny L - Synkronize

    How dare you! Sir Jonny will not be a part of this thread!

    He's one of those guys, early career - absolutely astounding, awesome music. Many flat-out classics.

    The later stuff? Shockingly bad. His 2013 LP 'In a Jungle' - give it a listen, if you can for more than one minute. It's hard to listen to.

    Reminds me of Adam F, groundbreaking early music but later on it comes off the rails completely


    I won't argue with that, he seemed to stop releasing much after around 2010 only doing a few bits and pieces digitally from what I remember. I get the feeling that he hasn't really focused on dnb since then. Hoping he will again at some point.
  • TARTARUS_DORSA about 1 month ago

    CtrlAltWax
    AI - Uprising (Dillinja Remix), truely shocking in every aspect. How to take a classic and really flush it down the toilet


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UINxzCkaTo

    Outsch. Wasn't aware of that release.
  • djthumpa about 1 month ago

    Bassline Smith & Drumsound - The Odyssey is a wicked tune!
  • Mr_Geese about 1 month ago

    Mr_Geese edited about 1 month ago
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-ClytgwYKE

    i'll also add any benny page tune into the mix, i hate to be a hater but they fucking suck
  • MickyRuff about 1 month ago

    Maybe someone could do the worst of the worst mix, basically playing a set of the worst tracks in this thread, as voted on by the members.

    It could be therapeutic or even coercive.

    Just an idea...
  • traffic_cone about 1 month ago

    MickyRuff
    Maybe someone could do the worst of the worst mix, basically playing a set of the worst tracks in this thread, as voted on by the members.


    i thnk there have been quite a few successful rave brands based around that very concept :D
  • fto-dj about 1 month ago

    Dillinja - Fast Car & Twist Em Out.

    He's wrote some of the best tunes, yet also some of the worst!!
  • Mr_Geese 30 days ago

    fto-dj
    Dillinja - Fast Car & Twist Em Out.

    He's wrote some of the best tunes, yet also some of the worst!!


    you know i've always seen it as the jackie chan syndrome
    i mean chan made some absolute classics like the first 2 police stories young master ect but the time he started making films in austrailia they were shit like rumble in the bronx who am i ect ect

    and i see dillinja much the same way and jackie in that ok yeah i might not like the stuff but i'm glad he's out there making money or having commercial success and doing well because those first tunes he did or movies in chans case were so good you cannot begrudge them
  • traffic_cone 30 days ago

    i have to admit I admire it when artists who are respected as pioneers or underground heroes make something cheesy or commercial. i don't think it's necessarily just money either - when you've already made plenty of deeper tunes, or experimented as much as you want - it's probably an interesting challenge to make something commercially popular, rather than just repeat yourself. and plus, making people dance is also probably more fun than just making purists happy ;)

    and although i doubt this would ever be any artists motivation, the contrarian in me does like the idea of horrifying the purists :)

    my favourite example in this regard was Marc Trauner aka The Mover - pioneer of gloomy techno and very much revered in hardcore - who ended up making a track with Scooter :D

    and I have to say, much as I don't really like "Twist Em Out" either, I'd still take it over countless unremarkable techy tunes with no memorable elements.

    (although I do quite like Panacea's bootleg of it, "Making Dillinja Bearable")
  • traffic_cone 30 days ago

    here's one i forgot about...jungle remix of a eurodance track: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQpzr2B30us - more strange than anything.

    side note - i did also find this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hihIJQ7cw-M - drum & bass track by Sash!. it's not quite as awful as I thought it might be, although I don't know if I'd go as far as it being good.
  • j90s 29 days ago

    MickyRuff
    Maybe someone could do the worst of the worst mix, basically playing a set of the worst tracks in this thread, as voted on by the members.


    lulz YEAh and also with the worst dj gear!
  • SparkiDee 10 days ago

    A lot of tracks mentioned I dont think deserve a negative review, obviously its down to preference but I think its down to the DJ's who would mix the same tunes together in every mix and not change things up or take the listener/raver on a journey so all you heard at events was the usual Bad Ass, Chopper, Body Rock etc which aint poorly produced or bad tracks I think they were just overplayed and it got on everyones nerves. I found that not mixing them tunes much for years means you fall back in love with them again and drop them in the mix from time to time for a quick dancefloor flooder.

    As for the identikit copycats... you have to think where would dnb if every producer made totally different dnb or started new sub genres? would DJs mix it all together back then? seemed to always be dark sets no chilled/liquid stuff and vice versa no light with dark. I guess in some ways some DJs would play both styles but you got to think that forming a set of scatty amen tunes with similar wub basses, 'blodddddclaaaarttttt' time stretched vocals did make for good sets whether on pirate radio or raves as it catered for each niche within the dnb scene.
  • pointblnk 10 days ago

    SparkiDee
    As for the identikit copycats... you have to think where would dnb if every producer made totally different dnb or started new sub genres?


    I'd agree with your sentiments that many tracks are simply overplayed.

    With regard to creativity, on one extreme end of the creative scale you have formula and predictability (potentially boring and will lead to the mid-term death of a genre). On the other end you have chaos and unpredictability (good for initial creativity but not good to build and grow a genre of music). Where you fall on the scale is highly subjective. I think the longevity of d&b/jungle is the willingness to try new ideas every so often - but not too much!

    Some absolutely love a 60 min set of Amen smashers. I also love Amen tracks. But I don't want hours of the same break rearranged - well not after nearly 30 years of listening to hardcore and jungle anyway, maybe in my early years. Clearly a lot of others are totally fine with this based on some of the sets I hear. That's the joy of 'mixing' - create the set you want to hear of course. :)
  • traffic_cone 9 days ago

    i do think it's a bit wrong when people equate creativity with breaking new ground or trying brand new things - it maybe seems that producers were a lot more creative in the early days, but there was also a lot more new things to try! i think creativity these days therefore becomes about the little details.

    and also sometimes people say something isn't creative when they really just mean they didn't like it. that might be mostly people with a high opinion of their opinion...(a lot of the people writing reviews on releases!)

    pointblnk
    I also love Amen tracks. But I don't want hours of the same break rearranged


    agreed, i think variety's important too. i always found similar with techno - much as i love a good 303 i never understood why people wanted to hear full sets of only acid tunes.

    often a tune sounds best when played next to something different. for example - i remember seeing Panacea drop 1 big uplifting Scott Brown hardcore track in the middle of his usual hard technoid d&b. and after 30 minutes of distorted reeces and dustbin lid clanging it would sound extra rushy. but that same tune wouldn't sound half as special when Scott Brown played it in a set with ten more similar tunes.

    although i do think everything is less pigeonholed now than the past, largely because kids who grew up with broadband have more eclectic tastes. i mean just the other day i was listening to a set by some trendy new techno DJ who finished her set with a couple of jungle tunes - i don't think you'd have got that 20 years ago.
  • VibrationCrew 9 days ago

    traffic_cone what do you think of Easygroove? A dj back in the day well known for his techno-hardcore & techno-early jungle mash up sets.

    https://youtu.be/pwOV1HiN4DE
  • pointblnk 9 days ago

    pointblnk edited 9 days ago
    traffic_cone
    i do think it's a bit wrong when people equate creativity with breaking new ground or trying brand new things


    I guess creativity comes in lots of different forms - production techniques, choice and manipulation of samples, arrangement, some sort of wild abstract concept for the track. Perhaps it wouldn't be creative if you could fully define it!

    I do think there's still plenty that can be done in the jungle/d&b scene particularly. On the one hand, no time period is ever quite going to be as revolutionary as the first affordable samplers and computers. On the other, there's no need to keep reusing so many of the same samples - you'll struggle to make your work stand out from the pack. Keep listening to music outside of your comfort zone and draw in as many inspirations as possible.

    Would you make a more 'creative' (whatever that means) track having heard thousands of tracks in a genre or perhaps just a dozen? Hard to say. I suspect the naivety of youth also plays a role in this, whether that's your mental attitude or just not really knowing how the hell to use your equipment!!
  • traffic_cone 9 days ago

    pointblnk
    I guess creativity comes in lots of different forms - production techniques, choice and manipulation of samples, arrangement, some sort of wild abstract concept for the track. Perhaps it wouldn't be creative if you could fully define it!


    i recently moved in with a mate of mine who produces d&b and last friday we ended up staying up all night and well into saturday with him making a new tune and me adding unhelpful ideas - and man is creativity also a slow, relentless slog...

    i genuinely could still hear the drum loop of the tune he'd been working on for a couple of hours after he'd stopped :D
    although it does also show one problem modern producers have - the tech is so good you get choice paralysis!

    pointblnk
    On the other, there's no need to keep reusing so many of the same samples


    i will say, that does do my head in. especially with tunes which are already retro in style. even something like that most recent Tom & Jerry last year i was disappointed when one of the tunes sampled "pick up the pieces" - it's just been done so often that it can't help but take the shine off.

    in fact in a broader sense, that is one of the things that can limit a style the longer it's around - in 94 jungle producers aare bringing influences from a range of music, whereas later jungle producers might be mostly influenced by other jungle. so it ends up being a recursive loop.

    although i think what's making it exciting again is that a lot of the newer artists are either too young or not from the same countries as most 90s jungle. so you get records like this: a jungle techno EP based on an old 90s Russian cartoon series :D https://www.discogs.com/release/17165731-Captain-Pronin-Captain-Pronin-On-A-Mission-Captain-Pronin-In-Space
  • traffic_cone 9 days ago

    VibrationCrew
    traffic_cone what do you think of Easygroove? A dj back in the day well known for his techno-hardcore & techno-early jungle mash up sets.


    love his sets. not just for the variety - but even just the fact he didn't discriminate betwen cheese and more underground stuff is especially rare. the one set I've heard of his from later on in the 90s starts out with vocal happy hardcore and finishes with 200+ bpm industrial French hardcore.

    only other DJ I can even think of with a similar variety was Bass Generator from Newcastle - who didn't play breakbeats really, but depending on the ravee could range from Italo house to "purist" techno to gabba in the same set. usually all on the wrong speed. although his style was a bit more...erratic than Easygroove!

    oh and the other reason i love Easygroove is that as someone who loves hunting down obscure or unusual tunes, he's very much the patron saint of records no one else played!
  • VibrationCrew 9 days ago

    Yeah that Easygroove mix I put up he plays one of Bass Generators tracks. Always loved his sets for the energy they brought and like you said the tunes he played are still being discovered today. Although theres a few yet to be i.d.
    Even tho you say you didn't get into dnb till the 00's I thought you would be an Easygroove fan.
  • traffic_cone 9 days ago

    i didn't even clock that! my favourite of his sets is Dreamscape 7. that's just one of a select few tapes which i probably listened to more than any others. athough i think it was around 2005 when i first heard it, rather than 93...

    i do like Robbie Dee on his sets too - i think he fits because he sounds like he doesn't know what he'll say next. there's another Dreamscape Easygroove set where he starts out with this big hype intro and but is so excited / battered he can't even finish the sentence :D

    for Bass Generator (or Bassy G as I should say) - this is the one i used to cane: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaZ5lf8K64U - rough around the edges (and that's the studio remake he did, not even the live versions) - but i love the way he rattles through the tunes, especially at the start.

    although he was less consistent - but like Easygroove prt of the fun of his sets was the surprise - I'd honestly rather hear a set where the mixing might be dodgy but you can't predict the next tune coming, over something super-smooth but predictabe.

    i remember an interview with him in a magazine back then where his advice to up & coming DJs included "don't DJ sober" :D
  • VibrationCrew 9 days ago

    That Bass Generator mix is pretty hectic, dropping small parts of tracks in the mix then quickly on to the next tune. Surprised it's pretty late tho meaning 94. We were well into jungle by that point down south. Kinda opening up a difference between north and south sounds by then. You did tend to notice that many northern dj's still carried on with the 'rave' scene more so than what was happening around london. From 94 onwards the music came and changed so quickly that a banger one week was easily superseded by three more the next and tunes became old real quick.
  • traffic_cone 9 days ago

    things were changing fast around then in Scotland too - i think the equivalent we had for the d&b side of things is probably the proper techno...i mean that Bassy G tape is from a Rez that also had Richie Hawtin and Laurent Garnier playing.

    although by the following year that split away and the raves like Rez were all hardcore & gabba with a few piano anthems - beginning of the end in retrospect i think.

    one of the weird curios of that period is that some of the southern jungle DJs would occasionally still get booked in Scotland and had to play very different sets - so you have sets of guys like Grooverider or SS, playing techno or gabba. even one tape of Randall playing mostly 4/4 hardcore (sadly not gabba, i think that would be truly amazing.)

    i do find it interesting how much the tastes n different parts of the UK differed. not even just north / south - from what i understand some of the south west, Cornwall especially, was more like Scotland taste wise (guess it's a Celtic thing!).

    and then Yorkshire where hard trance was the biggest (but still with the same ragga-style MCs as the jungle scene weirdly!)
  • VibrationCrew 9 days ago

    Around 1990 I would travel down to London do some record shopping and linking up with friends then cross over to Bristol and do the same then drive up to Manchester/Liverpool and do the same there again. This trip became more common when I worked at some of the record shops as this was the only way to get different tracks from different distro's before the scene took off and it became more centralised around London. The beauty of going to different parts of the country was finding the different styles originating from those areas. Manchester/Liverpool and London took off more so at first and then Bristol came in with a whole heap of talent from mainstream like Tricky, Massive Attack, to the pure Bristol sounds from Roni, Die, Jody, and eventually Krust.
    Around 87-91 the rave scene from Manchester and Liverpool set the mould for what was about to come especially with clubs like the Hacienda.
    Even on the East coast where I live we gained our own distinct sound from artist like Hyper-on, PCM, Flytronix, Ez Rollers, PFM, Tekniq, Jay n Richie, dj Dance.

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